EP. 769

03/11/19

DeVon Franklin

THE TWO THINGS AT WAR IN A MAN ARE LOVE AND LUST.

Relationships, Love, and Lust

James Baldwin said, โ€œLove takes off masks that we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within.โ€

In our society, weโ€™re not conditioned to love each other. In particular, men are taught to get whatever they can out of a relationship and then move on. All too often, we are driven by lust. Weโ€™re taught to selfishly pursue our own satisfaction, especially when it comes to romantic and sexual relationships with women.

Meanwhile, women arenโ€™t always treated with respect and can be viewed as simply sexual objects. And unfortunately, itโ€™s not uncommon for women to allow themselves to be treated that way. Maybe they are longing for any form of companionship. Or maybe they havenโ€™t recognized their own worth. 

These are generalizations, of course, but sadly they can be true. And theyโ€™re the reasons why we see so many broken relationships and marriages.

But people in healthy relationships work a little differently.

My guest today is here to tell us exactly how. His name is DeVon Franklin, and heโ€™s an expert on healthy romantic relationships. In our interview, we get into a lot of great stuff. DeVon talks about the difference between lust and true love and how you can tell which one youโ€™re feeling. He also talks about the one thing men today most lack and how we can improve in our relationships.

And for all the women out there listening, DeVon has plenty of wisdom for you too! We get into the reasons women often give up power and how you can reclaim your power and thrive in relationships.

It sounds clichรฉ, but guys, love really is everything. I canโ€™t wait to dive into this interview, so letโ€™s go!

Who Is DeVon Franklin?

DeVon Franklin is a Hollywood producer, New York Times bestselling author, renowned preacher, motivational speaker, and a really good friend of mine. Heโ€™s an amazing guy, and I know heโ€™s going to inspire you today!

You may have heard of some of DeVonโ€™s best-known films Heaven is for Real or his most recent film, Breakthrough, which stars Chrissy Metz from This is Us. Or maybe youโ€™ve heard of Miracles from Heaven, starring Jennifer Garner, which is the highest-grossing faith-based film of all time. 

Heโ€™s a big deal.

DeVon is also a fantastic writer and the author of several bestselling books. He and his wife, actress Meagan Good are the co-authors of The Wait. DeVon Franklinโ€™s books also include The Success Commandments and Produced by Faith

DeVon Franklinโ€™s new book, The Truth About Men, is full of wisdom. In it, he teaches men to think beyond sex and lead with love. He also talks about the power of acknowledging our feelings and communicating them honestly to those around us, which we dive deeper into in our conversation!

In addition to being an incredible creative force in the world, DeVon is an accomplished businessman. Heโ€™s the President and CEO of Franklin Entertainment, which recently signed a deal to become part of the 20th Century Fox family of companies.

And finally, DeVon Franklin is a major motivational speaker. With appearances on The Dr. Oz Show, Oprahโ€™s Super Soul Sunday, Dr. Phil, CBS This Morning, Entertainment Tonight, and more, itโ€™s no wonder heโ€™s one of the most highly sought Christian speakers out there! Beliefnet even named him one of the โ€œMost Influential Christians Under 40.โ€

But aside from being a prolific content creator, inspirational speaker and writer, and social media influencer, DeVon is just a fantastic guy. He walks the walk and truly practices what he preaches. He is a man committed to loving his wife and modeling healthy relationships and healthy manhood to everyone who watches him, and heโ€™s a true inspiration to me.

Iโ€™m so excited to share this interview with you today! DeVon and I get into some great stuff, so letโ€™s get started!

Lust vs. Love

One of the critical things DeVon talks about in his new book is the difference between lust and love. I think we all have a basic idea of what love is, but I asked DeVon to define lust so we can more clearly understand the difference between the two.

โ€œ… I define lust as a selfish impulse for personal, professional, financial, or sexual fulfillment by any means necessary, even if those means are detrimental. We live in a culture that almost feeds on the lust in men and also encourages us as men to feed on that.โ€ – DeVon Franklin

So in our relationships, lust is what drives us to serve only ourselves. And a lot of times today, the media in our culture tells men that what we want is sex and more sex. Weโ€™re taught to treat women as sexual objects instead of people. Weโ€™re taught to want more and more women, and even to take pride in sleeping around as much as possible instead of committing to a relationship with one woman.

DeVon thinks we can do better.

He thinks the most important thing we can do in a relationship is to identify whether weโ€™re operating out of lust or love. If youโ€™re dating or in a relationship, ask yourself, โ€œAm I interested in pursuing a committed relationship with this person? Or am I just looking for sexual satisfaction?โ€

But those are tough questions, and sometimes itโ€™s hard to tell what youโ€™re really feeling. I asked DeVon how we can be sure weโ€™re doing the right thing in a relationship, and he said it comes down to one thing: peace.

โ€œOur peace is the strongest barometer. Itโ€™s our compass. It tells us weโ€™re going in the right direction. Itโ€™s really about peace, and everyone has that opportunity to find what it is for them, but to me, thatโ€™s a great way to identify if this is the right person.โ€ – DeVon Franklin

If you can be honest with yourself about whether you feel peace in a relationship, youโ€™ll save yourself a lot of trouble! If you do feel peace โ€” thatโ€™s awesome, pursue that relationship with everything youโ€™ve got! And if you donโ€™t, you need to be honest with the person and get out of the relationship. Youโ€™ll avoid a lot of pain and heartbreak if you choose to operate out of peace and love instead of lust.

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Communication Really Is Key

So say youโ€™re already in a committed relationship or a marriage โ€” how can you level-up that relationship and really thrive?

DeVon says that the best thing we can do is also the area where all men struggle: communication.

โ€œA lot of times, we feel things, but we suppress โ€” โ€˜I donโ€™t want to think that about myself.โ€™ But guess what: Any suppressed thought does not go away โ€ฆ The only way to get a suppressed thought to go away is to acknowledge that it is there. โ€ฆ So what Iโ€™ve been learning is: the more I communicate, the more Iโ€™m honest and truthful, the more I work on those things, the better I become as a person, and I think that also lends itself to the marriage and helps the marriage.โ€ – DeVon Franklin

A lot of times as men, we donโ€™t want to acknowledge our feelings. Society tells us that it isnโ€™t manly or cool to have feelings at all, but DeVon says the exact opposite. It turns out, when weโ€™re honest and communicative about what weโ€™re thinking and feeling โ€” especially with our partners โ€” we grow as men and as people. And becoming a better, stronger person naturally improves your relationships.

So how can men improve their communication skills? DeVon says itโ€™s about creating โ€œsafe spaces.โ€

โ€œI got a chapter in this book called, โ€˜Create a Safe Space.โ€™ [A safe space is] where we have at least one other person that we can talk to, that we can tell whatโ€™s going on, and we can do without fear and judgment โ€ฆโ€ – DeVon Franklin

Find a person you trust, and commit to telling them whatโ€™s really going on with you. If youโ€™re married or in a relationship, that person should be your partner. If youโ€™re single, that person could be a friend or a family member. Whoever it is, make sure that you practice open communication with that person.

It definitely takes discipline, but itโ€™s so worth it. When you open up those lines of communication and commit to being open and vulnerable with someone, the relationship automatically grows and thrives. Itโ€™s true what they say โ€” in any relationship, communication really is key!

Donโ€™t Choose Between Love and Respect

DeVon is full of wisdom, and I was excited to hear his best advice for women too. How can women better engage in healthy relationships with men?

Like we talked about earlier, men arenโ€™t really taught to respect women. But oftentimes, women truly desire companionship and a relationship with a man, even if that man is bad for them. Sometimes, women can feel like they have to choose between being lonely and being with a man who doesnโ€™t value them enough.

But to all you women out there โ€” DeVon wants you to know you donโ€™t have to make that decision.

โ€œ… hereโ€™s the reality to me: โ€ฆ I donโ€™t believe you have to choose between love and being respected. And so often I think the culture wants women to feel that decision โ€” โ€˜Well, at least I have a man in my life. No, Iโ€™m not valued as much as I like, but I still have that companionship. Iโ€™d rather you be alone and single and be whole than to be in a situation where you feel like you can never be all you want to be just because you want the companionship.โ€ – DeVon Franklin

You really can be whole and happy as a single person. Itโ€™s okay not to be in a relationship! If you havenโ€™t yet found a man who respects you and values you for your worth, itโ€™s much better to be single.

So say youโ€™re already in a relationship where youโ€™re not treated well enough. DeVonโ€™s advice? Get out. 

โ€œWhen youโ€™re dealing with a man who is not willing to do his work, who is not willing to โ€ฆ operate in love โ€ฆ the biggest thing you can do is leave because the pain of your absence is the only thing that can convince him to change. And sometimes when youโ€™re a man and the woman is with you walking with you, sometimes men take that for granted.โ€ – DeVon Franklin

Women โ€” donโ€™t feel like you have to stay with a man if he doesnโ€™t treat you with both love and respect. If youโ€™re in a relationship that isnโ€™t based on those things, itโ€™s time to leave! Hopefully, your absence will convince the man to change and grow into a person who can love you. But even if not, you deserve to be single and happy! 

Why You Should Listen to this DeVon Franklin Podcast Episode Right Now…

If youโ€™re a person who desires a healthy relationship with another person, you need to listen to this episode with DeVon Franklin right now! He has so much wisdom to share, and I barely had time to scratch the surface here.

Hereโ€™s just another little taste of all the brilliant advice DeVon has to share:

โ€œ… I believe that, you know, if we date better, we marry better. If we marry better, we family better. So it all goes back to how we date, and if thereโ€™s no discipline there as a man, weโ€™re setting ourselves up for a massive challenge. It doesnโ€™t mean that we canโ€™t be successful โ€” we can โ€” but sometimes as men, we think, โ€˜Why is one [woman] not enough?โ€™โ€ – DeVon Franklin

Thereโ€™s a better way to be in relationships. Thereโ€™s a better way to date, to marry, and to lead a family. DeVonโ€™s here to tell you how to bring your best into any romantic relationship, and itโ€™s powerful stuff.

If you loved this episode and you want to connect more with DeVon, you can find him on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, and, of course, his website. And donโ€™t forget to pick up DeVon Franklinโ€™s new book, The Truth About Men!

You can also check out DeVonโ€™s previous appearance right here on The School of Greatness on Episode #409 to hear more about how DeVon found success in Hollywood through his faith and spirituality.

Before I go, I want to share DeVonโ€™s definition of greatness:

โ€œI really think greatness is mostly found in humility. I think that the greatest people I know are the most humble. Theyโ€™re not the strongest; theyโ€™re not the richest โ€ฆ they are the most humble. โ€ฆ when Iโ€™m in the presence of greatness, Iโ€™m absolutely in the presence of humility.โ€ – DeVon Franklin

I love that. Greatness isnโ€™t about being better than everybody else. Itโ€™s about serving from a place of genuine love.

Okay, guys, if youโ€™re ready to level-up your relationships and lead with love instead of lust, join me on Episode 769 to find out how from a relationship expert, DeVon Franklin!

 

To Greatness,

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Some Questions I Ask:

  • How do you know when youโ€™re with the right person? (8:00)
  • How do men think beyond sex? (14:00)
  • Do you know many successful men who are dating multiple women? (17:00)
  • How does your wife support you? (36:30)
  • What is the biggest challenge youโ€™ve faced while being married? (41:00)
  • Can you over-communicate in a relationship? (45:00)

In this episode, you will learn:

  • Why social media has amplified challenges for men in relationships (4:30)
  • How peace is the strongest barometer of your relationship (12:00)
  • Why women have to get out of the โ€œgrey areaโ€ when dating (21:00)
  • The reason itโ€™s important to wait to have sex (23:00)
  • Why you have to heal internal pain (49:00)
  • Plus much more…
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