EP. 782

04/10/19

Wednesday Martin

ITโ€™S TIME TO PUT THESE SEX MYTHS TO BED.

Sex and Love, Lust and Infidelity

Having a healthy sexual relationship is important, but itโ€™s not something we often talk about. Womenโ€™s satisfaction especially seems to take a back seat. So how can women get what they need in the bedroom? 

Well, we can ask questions. See what your partner is into!

And understanding the science behind why women like what they do is helpful, too. The truth is โ€” a lot of what we believe about female sexuality is wrong. We all benefit when womenโ€™s sexuality takes the forefront and is better understood.

On todayโ€™s episode of The School of Greatness, I talk about female satisfaction with an incredible woman who wrote a book on the subject: Wednesday Martin. A #1 best-selling author and cultural critic, Wednesday shares some profound insights about female sexuality. 

In this episode, we talked about the importance of sexual health, how monogamy became the accepted standard in North America, why the plow was the worst thing that ever happened for both men and women, and so much more. Wednesday and I discussed many of the topics that people are always questioning in the new generation of love, marriage, open-relationships, and everything else.

Iโ€™m excited for you to learn about this. I hope it helps you in your relationship journey, whether it reaffirms some things you already felt were true about your love life or causes you to learn something new! So get ready to learn about the science of monogamy and how to keep your relationship exciting on Episode 782 with Wednesday Martin!

Who Is Wednesday Martin?

Wednesday Martin is a feminist cultural critic, New York Times bestselling author, and social researcher. Wednesday has written on topics including gender, parenting and motherhood, popular culture, and female sexuality for The New York Times, The Atlantic, The Daily Beast, and Harperโ€™s Bazaar, among others. 

She was a regular contributor to The Daily Telegraph, the online edition of Psychology Today, and the parenting pages at the New York Post. Wednesday has also appeared on the Today Show, Good Morning America, CNN, NPR, NBC News, the BBC Newshour, and Fox News as a step-parenting expert.

Wednesday studied anthropology at the University of Michigan and has worked as a writer and social researcher in New York City for over two decades. A diligent student, she went on to earn her doctorate from Yale in comparative literature and cultural studies, with a focus on anthropology, the history of anthropology, and the history of psychoanalysis. 

She also taught cultural studies and literature at Yale and The New School for Social Research. Wednesday was so engaging and informative, and she taught me a lot about female sexuality and how the cultural script of monogamy came about. I canโ€™t wait for you to learn from her as well. Letโ€™s get into the episode! 

Why Do Women Cheat? 

I started off this conversation with a question that is bound to get every woman mad, but Wednesday just remarked with a smile that it was right up her alley. The question is, why do women cheat?  Her answer: Because they can. 

โ€œItโ€™s the same reason a lot of men cheat. A lot of times we now know itโ€™s about opportunity โ€ฆ there are certain factors that go into a woman making the decision to go against the social convention.โ€ – Wednesday Martin 

That social convention, or what is acceptable in society, is that monogamy is easier for women โ€” an idea that revolves around the belief that women seek connection, while men seek sex. This, Wednesday informed me, is simply a cultural script. Women are motivated by sexual desire too. Motivation to have extra paired involvements, or be non-monogamous, is actually very similar between men and women. 

โ€œData is telling us that motivations to step out or to say, ‘I want to be openly non-monogamist’ tend to be pretty similar between men and women โ€ฆ many men are having extra paired involvements because they want emotional connections, and many women are doing it just for the sex. So we canโ€™t just have this simple binary about motivation.โ€ – Wednesday Martin 

Itโ€™s really not just as simple as society has led us to believe. The motivations for women to choose to be non-monogamous are complicated, and they arenโ€™t only dependent on emotional or sexual desires. 

A womanโ€™s decision to cheat is also based on her economic and social status. Does she have an independent source of income aside from her partner? Does she have children that depend on the family structure? Does she have a nearby family network that is supportive if she decides to leave her husband?  

These factors of a woman’s autonomy and freedom can directly affect her decision to be non-monogamous. If a woman is in a situation where she has no power or stability, she will be more afraid to step into non-monogamy: 

โ€œWomen with different forms of security can be more sexually autonomous โ€” if we want to call deciding not to be monogamist a form of sexual autonomy. We also see that anywhere in the world where women have really high rates of political participation, they tend to have more sexual autonomy โ€ฆ. wherever women are empowered politically and financially, theyโ€™re more open to making their own choices.โ€ – Wednesday Martin

A lot of women are not in a position to open up their relationships and be non-monogamous even if they wanted to! This can especially be the true when women who are not financially independent are with controlling men who may be violent. In this case, monogamy might be the only safe option for them. 

So, all this to say is that the social convention that monogamy is easier for women is incredibly misleading and generates a stigma that monogamy is the only acceptable way in the United States. However, Wednesday noted that one of the revolutionary findings in sex research is that monogamy is harder for women than men! 

You may be wondering, how did this monogamous cultural structure occur in the first place? Well, Wednesday had a fascinating answer for us, and it all comes down to the presence of the plow. 

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The Power of The Plow: How One Invention Changed Convention 

Itโ€™s incredible what one invention can do. In this case, anthropologists such as Wednesday believe that the invention of the plow could be the reason that monogamy is the cultural norm in the United States.

โ€œOf all the weird things, a plow is the thing that set gender relations on the current sort of messed up course that theyโ€™re on now โ€ฆ believe it or not, you and I have the plow to thank for our kind of messed up gender script that weโ€™re living.โ€ – Wednesday Martin 

How did this happen? It seems bizarre, but Wednesday explained it in a way that made a lot of sense. Humans used to live in a hunter-gatherer society, where women supplied most of the calories through gathering. 

While meat gained through hunting was an unpredictable and often scarce food source, the food that women provided was stable and consistent:

โ€œThat was the basic sustenance, and women provided it. That gave them a lot of power and a lot of autonomy. They could make their own decisions in many regards, and we see that in contemporary hunter-gatherer populations, they tend to be extremely egalitarian โ€” including a lot of gender equality.โ€ – Wednesday Martin 

Women had a lot of autonomy when they provided a significant amount of the communityโ€™s food. They also had a lot of freedom and could wander when gathering, with little restrictions on who they saw or what they did.

But everything changed when the plow was invented. Since men have the advantage of upper body strength, the plow favored their natural physicality and forced women to be more sedentary:

โ€œWhat makes sense now (for social communities) is a very gendered labor division in which the woman becomes the secondary producer in the home โ€ฆ So, women are suddenly taken from their kin network โ€” taken from the group into an individual situation. Theyโ€™re living in the house dwelling, probably with one man and maybe his kin. Now, theyโ€™re under the watchful eye, theyโ€™re not ranging and roaming โ€” theyโ€™re secondary producers.โ€ – Wednesday Martin

This structure eventually led to a monogamous social convention in many societies that practiced plow agriculture. Isnโ€™t it fascinating to see where the cultural script of monogamy came from? 

Understanding the anthropology behind monogamy also illuminates why non-monogamy is looked down on in many cultures, including that of the United States. 

Cultural norm or not, monogamous long term relationships are actually more difficult for women than men. Wednesday gave us some reasons for this and provided some excellent tools for bringing back arousal in your long term relationship! 

How to Bring Back Arousal in Your Long Term Relationship 

So why are monogamous long term relationships more difficult for women than they are for men? Itโ€™s all about the sexual desire timeline. Letโ€™s face it โ€” itโ€™s natural for men and womenโ€™s sexual desire to decrease over time in a monogamous relationship. ‘

Does that mean it canโ€™t be brought back? Of course not! But it definitely happens, and according to numerous studies, it seems to occur for women more quickly than men:

โ€œHereโ€™s what happens when a man and woman start in a relationship โ€ฆ We start here in the relationship, the libidos are aligned โ€ฆ The chemistry is incredible. We want to have sex all the time, we love it, it is great โ€ฆ [But] it is normal for heterosexual women and for a lesbian (we have studies about this too) that within one to three years, her desire plunges. It is a normal thing that happens to most women within years one and three.โ€ – Wednesday Martin

It doesnโ€™t matter how great the sex is โ€” those are the statistics. Although it is normal, it is often an incredibly frustrating and upsetting experience for women in monogamous relationships, who are left wondering what happened. 

They usually find themselves having โ€œservice sexโ€ to satisfy their partnerโ€™s needs without satisfying their own. But this doesnโ€™t really serve anybody! Wednesday says that realizing that there is a sexual desire disparity in a monogamous relationship is essential to ensure that both people in the relationship are happy. 

โ€œLetโ€™s put a name on it, letโ€™s normalize that experience. Letโ€™s get into mainstream discourse conversation that monogamy is harder for women in the aggregate than it is for men. Doesnโ€™t mean you have to step out, doesnโ€™t mean you have to open up your relationship, itโ€™s just something we need to know about womenโ€ – Wednesday Martin

So once we are aware that sexual arousal for women decreases faster than men, the next question is obvious: How do you bring that passion back into your long term relationship? Wednesday had some great tools for this:  

โ€œKnow that service sex isnโ€™t the answer because it means that youโ€™re basically becoming subservient about your own desires, and that will lead to resentment โ€ฆ Now, have the conversation with your partner. There are ways to get novelty and adventure in the long term relationship without blowing it up. And the first step might be โ€˜Oh, I heard this podcast. Does this speak to you at all?โ€™ You can triangulate the discussion so that youโ€™re bringing it in in a relatively neutral way.โ€ – Wednesday Martin 

Talk about it! Sometimes it just takes being on the same page as your partner to help solve the issue. Once it is in the open, you can brainstorm other ways to bring back the sexual desire in your relationship. 

Wednesday provided plenty of those ways in the podcast, and there are so many options to try. But you canโ€™t do anything if your partner isnโ€™t talking to you about it! 

Why You Should Listen to this Wednesday Martin Podcast Episode Right Nowโ€ฆ

Guys, this interview was so educational and eye-opening. Wednesday has so much knowledge to share about female sexuality, the science of monogamy, and everything in between. If you are struggling with any of the topics in the episode, her insight and advice is so important for you to hear. And donโ€™t forget to share the episode with someone who needs it to potentially change their life! 

Be sure to check out Wednesdayโ€™s new book UNTRUE: Why Nearly Everything We Believe About Women, Lust, and Adultery is Wrong and How the New Science Can Set Us Free. It is an incredibly powerful read, and I highly recommend you guys check it out! You can also follow her on Instagram here!

I want to acknowledge Wednesday for doing the research and work to help all humans learn a new way that might be better for them. She does an amazing job helping us unpack the social norms we face, making it less scary for people to have better conversations. She may face judgment or criticism for her work, but she continues to press on and help people connect to each other. Her definition of greatness inspired me: 

โ€œ[Greatness is] being comfortable in your own skin and accepting who you are โ€ฆ being happy with what you already have is the key to greatness, not always striving for the next thing, not always focusing on the next momentโ€™ – Wednesday Martin 

Friends, join me on Episode 782 to learn more about that definition of greatness and how you can incorporate into your life and achieve happiness in your relationship! 

 

To Greatness,

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Some Questions I Ask:

  • Why do women cheat? (6:00)
  • Why is non-monogamy looked down upon in the world? (14:00)
  • What made you interested in this topic in the first place? (24:00)
  • How can a man increase sexual desire in a woman? (39:00)
  • How do you handle your research in your personal relationship? (1:05:00)
  • How important is sex in a relationship? (1:09:00)

In this episode, you will learn:

  • How economics plays into who cheats (10:00)
  • Why long term relationships are harder for women (27:00)
  • Tools for bringing back arousal in your long term relationship  (37:00)
  • How your attachment style affects your sexual relationship (1:00:00)
  • About the โ€œorgasm gapโ€ (1:11:00)
  • Plus much more…
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