EP. 788

04/24/19

Amanda Nguyen

YOUR MOST POWERFUL TOOL IS YOUR VOICE.

Take Your Power Back

Have you ever wanted to make your country a better place? 

Often, it’s easy to feel overwhelmed or powerless in the face of our political systems. Even though many of us live in democratic countries, it seems like we have no voice to improve our lives and the lives of others. This especially feels true when it comes to passing bills. 

Did you know that anyone can write and introduce a bill in the United States? It sounds too good to be true, doesn’t it? The reality is that even though anyone can petition Congress, it takes a great deal of strategy to reach the right people so that your bill has the potential to become law. Today, my guest knows all about passing bills and changing the lives of millions through writing bills and petitioning Congress.

I’m thrilled to have Amanda Nguyen on The School of Greatness! Amanda and her organization Rise have passed 32 laws to date, many of which have extended protection for the rights of rape victims. In this episode, you’re going to learn all about Amanda’s journey in passing her first bill, the Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act, and how you also have the power to petition Congress to pass a bill. Let’s dive in! 

Who Is Amanda Nguyen?

Amanda Nguyen is the founder and CEO of Rise, a non-governmental civil rights organization. She was the power behind the Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act, which passed unanimously through the United States Congress. She was in Forbes’ 2017 “30 Under 30” Law & Policy list and was an invited speaker at the 2017 Women’s March on Washington. In 2018, California representatives Mimi Walters and Zoe Lofgren nominated Nguyen for the 2019 Nobel Peace Prize.

Amanda has a background in astrophysics and national security. She interned at NASA and worked at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. Amanda someday hopes to become an astronaut herself! 

Amanda graduated from Harvard University with a Bachelor of Arts in 2013. While attending Harvard, she was raped, and while seeking justice for the incident, she found that our criminal justice system was completely broken when it came to addressing sexual assault. This prompted Amanda to start her organization Rise and help author the Sexual Assault Surviors’ Rights Act.  

How the Justice System Fails Rape Survivors

Amanda and I kicked off our interview by discussing how her experience of being sexually assaulted led to the formation of Rise. 

“I started Rise because I needed civil rights. After I was raped at Harvard, I discovered a broken criminal justice system, like so many other survivors do. … And in my particular case in Massachusetts, before the laws I wrote passed there, rape kits, which are the evidence that’s collected after a rape, could be destroyed at six months, even if the statute of limitations for prosecuting rape is 15 years.” – Amanda Nguyen

Even though you can press charges against someone for rape long after the incident occurs, some states destroy rape kits after only six months. Imagine if the justice system destroyed evidence in a murder case after only six months! Rape destroys lives, yet it’s not treated with the same severity as other crimes. 

After Amanda was raped, she went to a local rape crisis center in Boston and immediately realized how widespread sexual assault is:

“The waiting room was filled, and I didn’t realize how ubiquitous this issue was. I had cared about this issue before [but] had no idea how broken the system was and how many lives it impacted โ€ฆ until I walked into that room and became a survivor myself. โ€ฆ There are at least 25 million rape survivors in the United States. โ€ฆ That’s the entire population of Texas.” – Amanda Nguyen

Amanda immediately realized that rape impacted so many people. While in the clinic, she had difficulty accessing information about what to do after experiencing rape, and she knew that countless others were having the same difficulty. 

She learned that the average rape trial takes two years, so she decided to press charges later before the statute of limitations ran out. She had received an offer to be a presidential appointee in President Obama’s administration, and she wouldn’t be able to work the job in Washington D.C. while also pursuing justice in Boston. 

While in D.C., Amanda discovered that even though the statute of limitations for rape in Massachusetts is 15 years, rape kits are destroyed after only six months. She began investigating the laws dealing with sexual assault in Massachusetts and other states. She found that the laws protecting and seeking justice for rape survivors vary from state to state. 

“When I started researching what rights I had, I discovered a patchwork of rights across the United States. So [while] some states destroy rape kits, other states didn’t, and I thought this was very unfair. We literally have etched above our highest court of the land, the Supreme Court, ‘Equality Under the Law,’ and that was not happening for rape survivors or sexual violence survivors. Literally two survivors in two different states had two different sets of rights. And I thought to myself, ‘Well, I have a choice here. I can accept the injustice or rewrite the law.’” – Amanda Nguyen 

The rights of rape survivors largely depend on what state that they’re living in. Some states even require rape survivors to pay thousands of dollars for a rape kit! Imagine having to pay the police to collect evidence for a crime committed against you! Amanda observed that the ridiculous payment laws dissuade some survivors from even reporting rape.

“[Paying for rape kits] creates this social-economic barrier that disincentivizes survivors from coming forth, and many survivors don’t report their rape or sexual violence for many reasons. One of them being that they don’t trust the criminal justice system.” – Amanda Nguyen 

Amanda realized that she had to do something to ensure that rape survivors receive the justice they deserve. Rather than letting herself be defeated by the broken justice system, she set out to change it and create laws to protect rape survivors. 

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Passing the Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act

When Amanda first started Rise to rewrite laws to protect rape survivors, no one took her organization seriously. 

“We put together this basic set of rights and aimed to pass it in the United States Congress. And when we first started out, we were a group of 20 something-year-olds with no money, no connections, no power. And people thought we were a joke. And we just kept relentlessly organizing [and] putting our heads together.” – Amanda Nguyen

Amanda and the other members of Rise worked persistently to write the Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act and get it introduced into Congress. The bill gave victims of rape more rights by ensuring the preservation of rape kits until the statute of limitations for the rape ended. The bill also guaranteed that rape survivors would be informed before their rape kit is destroyed, and victims would also be notified about the results of the rape kit tests. 

Amanda explained that even though approaching Congress with a bill can be incredibly daunting, it’s our responsibility to change unjust laws in a democracy. 

“What a lot of people I wish understood now in today’s political climate is that everyone not only has agency but that they [also] have a constitutional right to petition the government. That is in our constitution, which means that our democracy should be accessible. We [have] a government ‘of the people, by the people, and for the people.’” – Amanda Nguyen

Our government works for all Americans, so we all have the right to petition the government and initiate change!

So how does one go about introducing a bill to Congress? 

“The bill needs to be introduced into a committee. Then that bill needs to be put onto the agenda to be voted out of that committee. If it passes the committee, then it goes to the floor of a chamber. Now Congress has both the House [of Representatives] and the Senate. Let’s say [hypothetically] that this is the Senate. It passes out of the Senate committee, [and then] goes to the floor of the Senate chamber. Then the head of the Senate needs to put it up for a vote. … If it is on the agenda and it gets a vote and it passes, then it does [pass] and repeats the process in the House [of Representatives].” – Amanda Nguyen

To get a bill passed, you need to have a representative introduce the bill to a committee, and then the committee has to approve it. Next, it goes to the floor of the Senate or House of Representatives, depending on which branch of Congress the bill is going through. Even if a committee approves a bill, it will often die even before being voted on in Congress because it wasn’t put on the agenda. 

“Most civil rights bills are assigned to the judiciary committee. … What this means … is that the chairman or chairwoman [of the judiciary committee] has agenda-making authority. โ€ฆ That person is the sole person in the entire Congress who can set the agenda for bills to be voted on. So most bills die because they don’t make it on the agenda.” – Amanda Nguyen

The Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act received widespread support, but it still nearly died because it almost wasn’t put on the agenda. Representatives informed Amanda that the bill wouldn’t pass, but she and the other Rise members remained persistent and continued showing up to different offices to push their bill onto the agenda. 

“When I got there, even our lead sponsors, the lead senators and representatives who work on this bill, said, ‘I’m so sorry. It’s not going to pass this time.’ And for the next 14 hours, the Rise team and I literally just walked into the decision-makers’ offices and said, ‘I’m here. Here’s why I care about this issue. Respectfully, please listen to our stories.’ We asked people to call into the speaker’s office. I witnessed those calls come in person. And at the end of those 14 hours, he brought it up for a vote, and it passed.” – Amanda Nguyen

The Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act became the 21st bill in modern history to pass unanimously. The bill is now protecting the rights of millions of rape survivors. Despite the fact that it seemed as if the bill would die, Amanda and her team didn’t stop working diligently to bring justice for sexual assault survivors. 

What can you be doing to protect the rights of others and make the world a better place? You may not be ready to introduce a bill, but you can make the world better by the decisions you make today. Maybe you can impact someone by showing kindness, or you can help someone in need. Do what you can to improve the lives of others on your journey to greatness! 

Bringing Civility Back to Politics

In recent years, politics and activism have become incredibly heated and emotional. Amanda noted that it’s important to appeal to politicians’ emotions so that they prioritize your bill.  

“Politics is not about logic or facts. If it was, we’d have a very different climate. Now it’s all about emotion. And at the end of the day, when you’re talking to these people, it’s about convincing them to care and prioritize. Politicians โ€ฆ [are basically] drinking from a fire hydrant. They have so many people coming at them all the time talking about all the different issues. So how do you rise above that and make the case that they should do this too?” – Amanda Nguyen

Amanda explained that one key way to get politicians to care about passing your bill is by creating a spotlight on the bill. If the country is paying attention to a particular bi-partisan bill, politicians know that vocalizing support will increase their likelihood of re-election. To introduce her bill into states legislations, Amanda enlisted the help of actor Terry Crews so that America would pay attention and so they could amplify the importance of protecting rape survivors. 

Something that’s made Rise so effective in passing bills is the fact that they’re willing to work with everyone to get the job done. They often receive criticism for not being radical enough. Amanda observed that being radical and emotional wouldn’t have worked in passing the Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act.

“I did not have the political luxury of a cathartic performance. I had urgency. My rape kit had a literal timeline to be destroyed. … My justice would be literally thrown in the trash. โ€ฆ I needed to work with anyone and everyone within the legislative process in order to pass these laws. That profoundly shaped the way that I negotiated my rights. … Democracy inherently requires its citizens to hash things out. And so when survivors at Rise or any organizer enters a room of a Senator, they leave their political tribalism at the door.” – Amanda Nguyen

Amanda recognized that she had to leave politics aside and work with anyone she could in order to pass her bill. She noted that people are so divisive in politics these days that it’s becoming harder for people to work together. 

“We are in such a partisan time, where when you turn on the TV, all we hear are reduced sound bites or retweets. People are just trying to get at each other. It’s theater. We don’t really hear steadfast policymaking, and our government can’t even keep itself open. And in the meantime, people suffer. โ€ฆ True lawmaking … that helps people demands that we sit down and we sit in these uncomfortable spaces. We climb over these empathy walls and really engage with the other side. And, that’s really hard to do, but that’s what we train our organizers to do.’ – Amanda Nguyen

Amanda and Rise work with everyone in Congress, regardless of their party, to get things done. Lots of activism these days involves making grand gestures without actually initiating change at a federal level. Amanda feels a great deal of passion about the bills that Rise works on, but she recognizes that it takes more than passion to make a bill become a law. You also need to be a good organizer and work with people in Congress to make changes. 

What’s an issue that you care about deeply? In addition to feeling passionate about it, you can also get organized and begin working on creating change. Maybe you need to rally with other people who also care about the same issue! Rather than just getting mad about it or making grand theatrical gestures, you can start appealing to others to advance your cause. Amanda obviously felt very emotional about the cause that she was promoting, but she maintained professionalism in D.C. to push her bill, and ultimately, she was able to pass the Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act through bi-partisan support.

 You are capable of advancing whatever cause you care about if you’re willing to work hard and even work with people you disagree with!

Why You Should Listen to This Amanda Nguyen Podcast Episode Right Nowโ€ฆ 

Guys, I had such an amazing conversation with Amanda Nguyen. Her journey in establishing Rise and passing the Sexual Assault Survivors’ Rights Act is absolutely incredible. The bills she and Rise have helped pass are crucial for protecting rape survivors, and her work continues to be so important because rape continues to be such a widespread and devastating issue.

Her tireless hard work in helping rape survivors get justice means so much to me because I was raped as a child โ€” and if you want to learn about my journey in healing from sexual trauma, listen to Episode 776. Amandaโ€™s work has brought justice to so many people, and her work proves that we are fully capable of making the world a better place. 

I loved Amanda’s definition of greatness: 

“[Greatness is] to love who you are. That definition can change based on each individual and based on every generation. It’s up to every generation to define [greatness] for itself. So ultimately it’s to love who you are.” – Amanda Nguyen

If you felt inspired by Amandaโ€™s story, make sure to share it on Instagram! Tag Amanda, @amandangocnguyen, and me, @lewishowes, and share with us your greatest takeaways! 

Friends, join me on Episode 788 if you’re ready to learn all about how the justice system fails rape survivors, how to pass a bill, and the importance of being civil to advance your cause! Amanda will inspire you and completely change the way you think about politics! 

To Greatness, 

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Some Questions I Ask:

  • How does someone rewrite a law? (5:00)
  • How were you able to raise two million dollars in the last two years? (19:00)
  • Whatโ€™s your biggest fear? (31:00)
  • How does someone who has been through trauma get a message across without anger? (37:30)
  • What makes you feel the most loved? (53:00)

In this episode, you will learn:

  • About the Survivor Bill of Rights that Amanda helped get passed (11:30)
  • How to avoid โ€œactivism fatigueโ€ (18:30)
  • The process for passing a bill (22:00)
  • About Work/Life Integration vs. Work/Life Balance (33:00)
  • How to transcend party lines when trying to make a change (40:00)
  • Plus much more…
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